The Evidence for Caloric Restriction: A Response to Dr. Fung’s CRaP

April 29th, 2017|Fat Loss, Nutrition|
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So a few weeks ago, we published an infographic which showed that all weight loss diets work through caloric restriction and, consequently, through the resulting caloric deficit.

A few people objected to it, saying that body composition and health are not just about a caloric deficit but, rather, also about food quality.

Here’s the thing: WE AGREE 100%!

We’ve actually gone out of our way several times in a few articles to make this point crystal clear. We even mentioned it in the first article we ever published, where we talked about the “secret” to fat loss.

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So no disagreement there. For optimal health and body composition, things like macronutrient amounts, fiber intake, food quality, meal timing and so on are important.

This is, of course, why the majority of the calories in our custom-made sample meal plans, that are part of the online fitness coaching services we provide, come from minimally-processed, micronutrient-dense foods.

The above shouldn’t, however, distract us from the fact that for a net increase or decrease in the body’s energy stores to take place, an imbalance between energy intake (from food) and energy output (from activity) must happen.

Practically speaking, for fat loss to occur, caloric restriction has to take place (or at least an increase in energy expenditure without a concomitant increase in caloric intake).

This is something that is objectively true and which the entire scientific community agrees on, by the way.

Strangely enough, however, an obesity doctor (well, a nephrologist, in reality) seems to disagree.

A ranty post by an angry Doc

So a few days after the above infographic was published, Dr. Jason Fung responded with a ranty post on his blog (which you can read here) essentially claiming that caloric restriction doesn’t work for weight loss in the long term.

Now, if you manage to go through his entire article, you’ll notice that his argument essentially boils down to that caloric restriction doesn’t work for weight loss in the long term, despite people adhering to their diets. 

He even shares a couple of graphs from a few studies which show that, initially, weight loss occurs during calorically restricted diets, but then weight regain happens as weight slowly creeps back up during the months and years that follow.

Although Dr. Fung doesn’t offer an explanation as to why the weight is regained despite the subjects complying to their diets, he seems to suggest that this happens because of a decrease in energy expenditure.

Let’s not get ahead of ourselves, though. Let’s analyze Dr. Fung’s points one by one.

Changes in metabolic rate with caloric restriction

After the first paragraph where Dr. Fung is just being sarcastic, he goes on to talk about energy balance and the First Law of Thermodynamics, essentially agreeing that it always holds true (phew).

He goes on to state that (and these are direct quotes, by the way):

  • “If you eat less (he means “fewer”) calories, you will burn less (*fewer). So there is no overall change in body fatness”

and that

  • “Basal metabolism may increase or decrease up to 40%.”

So are the above statements true?

Well, ish. It’s true that caloric restriction results in a decrease in energy expenditure and that hypercaloric diets result in an increase in energy expenditure. However, the statement that the basal metabolism (i.e. BMR/RMR) may increase or decrease by up to 40% is not supported by any scientific research. 

So how much does BMR/RMR increase/decrease with over- and underfeeding?

With regards to overfeeding, the largest BMR increase that we have found in studies lasting at least 2 weeks (and after adjusting for weight gain) is around 17% – i.e. nowhere near the 40% that Dr. Fung claims. Moreover, this scientific research paper suggests that the average BMR increase with overfeeding to be around 10%.

What happens to our metabolic rate with caloric restriction (underfeeding) then?

From what we could find, the largest drop in RMR in weight-stable conditions (and after adjusting for weight loss) was seen in the Minnesota Starvation Experiment, which recorded a (drumroll…) 15% drop in metabolic rate. Yep, still nowhere near the 40% which Dr. Fung claims. It’s also worth noting that this was a semi-starvation study, where subjects were in a severe caloric deficit until they reached around 4% body fat.

So where did Dr. Fung go wrong in his “calculations”? 

Well, Jason probably failed to consider that reductions in metabolic rate should account for weight loss or gain, since a smaller body will burn fewer calories and a larger body will burn more. So, when weight loss occurs, the honest thing to do is to compare the new BMR to the predicted new BMR (based on the reduced body weight) and not to the old one (i.e. before weight loss had occurred).

On a relevant note, as you can see in the table below, science has a pretty good idea about how much different components of the human body contribute towards the metabolic rate.

Dr. Fung’s CRaP

In the next paragraph, Dr. Fung continues with the sarcasm, referring to the approach of caloric restriction for weight loss as CRaP (Caloric Reduction as Primary).

If you delve a little more into it, you’ll notice that he is, essentially, making a number of assumptions on what he thinks researchers and fitness professionals think, and then basing his arguments on that.

More specifically, Dr. Fung thinks that we think that:

  • a change in one side of the energy balance doesn’t cause a change in the other
  • food intake is not affected by hunger, hedonic, sociocultural and other variables
  • exercise (or TEA) is a major component of total energy expenditure
  • the endocrine system is not involved in the regulation of adipose tissue

In reality, no one really thinks that the above hold true. At least no one with a relevant education, that is. 

Anyway, let’s move on.

Weight loss and long-term maintenance

So after a short attempt at “sciencing” for a while, Dr. Fung continues by asking the following question:

“So, where is the evidence that reducing calorie intake as the primary strategy results in long term meaningful weight loss?”

Well, Doc, we’re glad you asked!

This 10-year observational study of 2886 men and women found that, after 10 years, average weight loss with caloric restriction and an increase in activity was around 50 pounds.

The researchers reported that “decreases in leisure-time physical activity, dietary restraint, and frequency of self-weighing and increases in the percentage of energy intake from fat and disinhibition were associated with greater weight regain.”

Essentially, weight loss success in the long term was found to be associated with staying active, controlling caloric intake, keeping track of body weight and not eating huge amounts of fat.

The authors also reported that “long-term weight-loss maintenance is possible and requires sustained behavior change”.

Truly ground-breaking stuff. I guess common-sense advice doesn’t sell well, though.

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Why do people regain lost weight?

Dr. Fung continues by presenting a couple of studies (along with a few graphs), which show that a large proportion of the weight lost by most subjects is regained in the years that follow.

Here’s the thing: we’re not saying that people always succeed in losing weight and keeping it off. Quite to the contrary. Most people seem to regain much of the lost weight after a few months and years.

Here’s where Dr. Fung is being brutally dishonest, however (or, at the very least, embarrassingly misinformed): He claims that, in those studies, weight regain happened despite subjects adhering to their diets.

Here are a couple of direct quotes from his article:

  • “In a pattern familiar to every person who has ever dieted, the weight starts to regain despite continued compliance to the diet”
  • “Also, it is important to note that women did, in fact, stick to their calorie reduced diet. Yet the weight regain still happened. BUT it wasn’t because of non compliance.”

Seriously, Doc? Are you going to stoop that low? Are you going to sit there and pretend as if you don’t know full well that weight regain happens exactly because of lower dietary adherence and poor compliance over time?

Tisk tisk, Doc.

Anyway, are you ready for some science? Yes? Awesome!

First and foremost, here is some research which compared different diets (Atkins, Ornish, Weight Watchers and Zone) and which found that adherence to caloric restriction (even when it’s self-reported) plummets over time.

Here’s one of our favorite quotes: “in the long run, sustained adherence to a diet rather than diet type was the key predictor of weight loss and cardiac risk factor reduction in our study.”

Here’s a table from the same study, showing that all diet interventions resulted in meaningful weight loss at the start, but weight regain slowly started to take place as the months passed, evidently because of lower dietary adherence.

Let’s see if you remember what you learned in statistics class, Doc. What does this next graph show? Do you, perhaps, see any statistically significant correlation between weight loss and dietary adherence? Well, you should, because there is one!

Ready for more? Great!

Here’s a recent meta-analysis which compared weight loss between low and high carbohydrate diets (and included 7286 individuals) and found no significant weight loss differences between the diets after 12 months.

The researchers concluded that: “significant weight loss was observed with any low-carbohydrate or low-fat diet. Weight loss differences between individual named diets were small. This supports the practice of recommending any diet that a patient will adhere to in order to lose weight.”

Here are a few more of our favorite quotes from the study:

“These findings support recent recommendations for weight loss in that most calorie-reducing diets result in clinically important weight loss as long as the diet is maintained”

and

“because different diets are variably tolerated by individuals, the ideal diet is the one that is best adhered to by individuals so that they can stay on the diet as long as possible.”

Notice a common pattern there? Yep, dietary adherence TRUMPS everything else.

Ah, yes. Science is awesome.

We won’t bore you with any more studies by the way. The above is a meta-analysis and is literally loaded with references you can check out yourself.

Conclusions and recommendations

So here are our conclusions and recommendations. Sadly, they are neither ground-breaking nor book-selling, but that’s life.

The focus of ANY weight loss intervention should be to create a caloric deficit with a diet that is:

  • composed primarily of minimally-processed, micronutrient dense foods
  • has enough protein to prevent losses in lean body mass
  • doesn’t create deficiencies in micronutrients
  • honors the individual’s personal preferences with regards to meal timing, food choice, and so on
  • can be adhered to in the long term
  • promotes a healthy relationship with food

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52 Comments

  1. Carl Juneau, PhD 30/04/2017 at 11:25 pm - Reply

    Good one 🙂

    To be honest, as a researcher from another (related) field, this ongoing debate is hard to follow. Both sides (you and Dr. Fung in this case, but I’ve seen this with others) seem to cherry pick and construct straw man arguments.

    I’d rather not get into long debates, but here’s an example:

    You say he’s wrong to point out that calorie restriction failed, even if subjects adhered to their diet in the studies he’s cited. But you then cite other studies to support your point. Did you check the studies he’s cited?

    Cheers,

    Carl

    • Myolean Fitness 01/05/2017 at 1:11 pm - Reply

      Hey Carl,

      Thanks for your comment.

      Absolutely! I checked the studies Dr. Fung cited and could not find anything suggesting that researchers assessed dietary adherence. If you want to check yourself and don’t have access to the full-text articles, I’d be happy to send them!

  2. Justin 29/05/2017 at 7:48 pm - Reply

    Man this doc Fung is retarded. His comparison to kcal in & kcal out is like the earth isn’t round but its square.

    Wtf?? Not scientific proven just horseshit lmao

  3. Leslie 29/06/2017 at 12:20 am - Reply

    Intermittent fasting works best for people with insulin resistance. Yes obviously for someone who does not have insulin resistance who is overweight by eating too many calories can cut calories and access their stored fat easily making up for the missing energy from stored fat. This is why someone like Kim Kardashian can eat a 1700-1800 calorie diet and workout and consistently lose weight and keep it off. She is accessing her stored fat every day. For someone with insulin resistance, their bodies cannot access their stored fat, so the only way to maintain weight loss, they constantly have to lower their calorie intake to match their new metabolic rate in order to keep losing and maintain. This is a losing battle as eventually they would be eating nothing and starving.For example, if Kim had insulin resistance, she would probably have to lower her calorie intake to 1200 calories or less to get to 120 pounds and maintain at 1200 or less when she should have been able to achieve weight loss eating 1800 calories and maintaining around 1700. Fasting helps someone with insulin resistance to deplete their insulin so they can access their fat stores. Basically it is how they can cure insulin resistance and make their bodies like Kim Kardashian’s body. Yes they would have to eat a low carb diet to help lower insulin and create a calorie deficit by food or working out or both to acheive weight loss. The benefit is they would not have to eat less and less forever to maintain weight loss. Fasting will also work for people without insulin resistance. My guess is those are the people who lose 20 pounds in 1 month like some people boast 🙂

    • Myolean Fitness 29/06/2017 at 11:38 am - Reply

      Thanks for your comment, Leslie!

      I am not sure where exactly you are getting this information from… Mind sharing it with us?

  4. Betty 28/09/2017 at 4:50 pm - Reply

    I agree with all you have written. Perhaps Dr Fung meant as a person ages, he cant maintain weightloss if your hormones change, health issues change,etc,,? Certainly even if we do all the right things, if a dr put us on a medication that causes weight gain, that would also affect us.

    • Myolean Fitness 28/09/2017 at 7:03 pm - Reply

      Thanks for your message, Betty!

      Well, contrary to what most people think, age-related hormonal changes are more likely to affect where we store body fat than if and how much fat we store. It’s also worth noting that basal metabolic rate doesn’t drop much as we age. People usually gain weight mainly because they start becoming less active both in terms of exercise and in general day to day living (Non Exercise Activity Thermogenesis).

      Some of our postmenstrual clients have actually lost over 30 pounds and maintained it for 5+ years!

      With regards to medication, it can get pretty complicated, since some medication can cause massive increases in water weight, while some can cause feelings of tiredness and hunger. Depending on the situation, the gain in weight could be actual body fat or merely just water.

  5. Steve 28/09/2017 at 8:11 pm - Reply

    GARY TAUBES
    Author of The Case Against Sugar, Why We Get Fat and Good Calories, Bad Calories.

    If you have read these, where does this author fit into this discussion? Thanks

    • Myolean Fitness 29/09/2017 at 8:27 am - Reply

      Hey Steve, thanks for your comment.

      Gary Taubes is great at writing science fiction!

      On a serious note, Gary is a proponent of the CIM of obesity, which has been pretty much debunked in scientific research. Gary debated Alan Aragon at the Epic Fitness Summit in the UK a couple of years ago on this. This should make it clear how it went: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSEVkiTCCNw

      Also, here’s a description of how the debate went by Ben Carpenter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRCv5RWXWx8

  6. Jo tB 29/09/2017 at 10:25 am - Reply

    I think both of you make valid points. However, it is not black and white: you lose weight or you don’t. I started putting on weight in my teens and have been “dieting” for over 50 years. In the beginning I dropped the weight effortlessly by dropping starches (potatos) and sugar out of my diet. After menopause I started to put the weight back on and no amount of cutting back on anything has shifted it. 17 years ago I was diagnosed as type 2 diabetic. Once again I started changing my diet in an effort to lose the weight and increase my insuline sensitivity, no avail. My body has a life of its own, and does the exact opposite of what is expected. What happens in most diets you drop things out without replacing them with other sources, creating deficits, whether they be calories, vitamins, nutrients. How does the body (i.e. your gut biome) react in a deficient state? It tries to compensate and get the deficiences back but from where? Apparently not from your fat stores. So how do I solve the problem in later life having jiggled with my metabolism for over 50 years? Not another diet apparently.

    • Myolean Fitness 29/09/2017 at 11:39 am - Reply

      You just haven’t found a good coach to help you with your weight loss goals yet!

      On a serious note, we’re aware of all the hormonal issues that accompany aging and menopause. Many times, the best solution is to see an endocrinologist to help you sort out your hormones before trying to lose weight.

  7. Rumi Nation 30/10/2017 at 4:13 pm - Reply

    you are essentially advocating the biggest loser diet of reduce calories and increase movement… while yes this works on the show and elsewhere do you ever wonder why there is no “biggest loser reunion?”

    its because they are all fat again! there in lies the mystery.

    • Myolean Fitness 30/10/2017 at 4:41 pm - Reply

      Thanks for your comment, Rumi.

      I recommend that you re-read the article, as it seems you have missed a few key points:

      – ALL diets work for weight loss through a caloric deficit. This includes low carb diets, low fat diets, intermittent fasting, etc.
      – The reason most people (including the Biggest Loser subjects) regain lost weight is simply because they fail to build the behaviors needed to adhere to their diets in the long term. This means that when they reach their goal, they simply revert back to their past behaviors – i.e. they eat too much and become much less active.

      The reason our clients ALWAYS manage to lose weight and keep it off is because we help them change their lifestyles instead of just forcing them to “eat less and move more”

      • Michael 12/03/2018 at 5:56 pm - Reply

        Rumi’s comment on the fact that there is NO reunion is probably taken from Dr Fungs video’s which I just watched one this morning. Its amazing all the hype on the web about who’s a hack and who’s not on diets and shedding tonage stop your meds. Eat properly and exercise, follow up with your doctor if there worth following up with. Allot of money goes into these fallacies of your doomed and will be dependant on meds for life. Unfortunately for some they will be on meds for life but for others they won’t. What works for me may not work for others. If your FREE fat loss ebook is FREE then why not make it so people can download it with out having to provide an email address? Because it’s NOT FREE if you have to provide an email address.

        • Myolean Fitness 14/03/2018 at 5:42 pm - Reply

          Hello Michael and thanks for your comment,

          Regarding the first part of your comment, I’m not sure I understand what you mean. Mind rephrasing please?

          Regarding the e-book, it’s free in the sense that it is free of charge.

          If you don’t want to be subscribed to Myolean Fitness, you can download the e-book and, simply, unsubscribe immediately after. I promise not to send you any more emails after that or sell/give away your email address. If you really don’t want to go through that one minute process, let me know and I’ll just email the ebook to you! 🙂

  8. Abarama 26/01/2018 at 9:41 am - Reply

    Regarding the biggest losers, there was a research and is around the web that after calorie restriction for a long time their metabolic rate diminished so much that after eating normally (but a lot less than when they were obesse) they regain the weight because they are not taking more calories than they are burning. I believe Dr. Fung mentions sometime like “do you think like 90% of the people who takes diets is so morally depleted that they wont stick to the diet” or something like that; point being that diets are hard to endure over time because they are wrong at how the body works and what expects. This is a hot topic.

    • Myolean Fitness 26/01/2018 at 11:11 am - Reply

      Hi Abarama,

      If you happen to find that study, feel free to share it here so we can critically analyze it! Until then, pretty much every study in the history of ever refutes that fat gain can happen in the absence of a hypocaloric diet.

      With regards to why diets fails, it essentially comes down to a combination of factors that negatively impact long-term adherence to the diet. Where Jason is being dishonest (or, at the very least, misinformed) is where he claims that weight regain happens despite subjects adhering to their diets.

      • Scott 28/02/2018 at 10:06 pm - Reply

        Here you go: Persistent metabolic adaptation 6 years after “The Biggest Loser” competition:

        http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/oby.21538/full

        • Myolean Fitness 28/02/2018 at 10:09 pm - Reply

          Thanks for your comment, Scott.

          Mind expanding a little please? What exactly is your point?

      • Simz 03/04/2018 at 9:34 am - Reply

        Dr Fung may believe me when nobody else will. I reduced my food intake below my TEE and did well but by that 10 month mark when most people regain their weight I did too but certainly not because of lack of adherence to my diet. I was very particular about it!

        Despite 100% sticking to well below my new TEE (even calorie restricting much less), weight started to increase with other unusual symptoms (probably due to not ovulating; something us women really need for optimal health).

        Is it possible, the human body can’t handle continuous weight loss by that 10 month mark. I noticed it applied to all diets too. Is it possible we dieters are telling the truth and maintaining our diets but the body needs to almost starve to lose weight not reduce calories?

        Also do you know how many women were on that Minnisota (sp?) starvation diet?

        • Myolean 03/04/2018 at 10:55 am - Reply

          Hello and thank you for your comment.

          Regarding the Minnesota Starvation Experiment, it only used male subjects, since the subject pool was men who volunteered to participate in the study as an alternative to military service.

          Regarding weight regain, a number of processes and mechanisms underpin it, including homoeostatic, environmental and behavioural ones. I would strongly encourage that you read this study on the topic, which explains the mechanisms that cause weight regain: https://www.nature.com/articles/ijo201559

          Essentially, people stop losing weight (and regain it) due to a combination of reasons, including the following:
          – a decrease in metabolic rate that is accounted for by the decrease in a person’s body weight
          – a further decrease in metabolic rate (or increased metabolic efficiency) that is not accounted for by the decrease in a person’s body weight (we call this metabolic adaptation)
          – a decrease in non-exercise activity thermogenesis (NEAT) and in the thermic effect of activity (TEA)
          – a decrease in the thermic effect of food (TEF), since you’re now eating less overall, therefore, spending less energy to digest and absorb food
          – an increase in energy intake due to changes in hormones that regulate hunger and satiety, as well as due to changes in hedonic reward systems

          As you will notice, at the end of the day, weight regain is essentially a result of a sustained positive balance between energy intake and output, i.e. a caloric surplus. Without it, it’s practically impossible to increase your body’s energy stores, as doing this would mean that you are creating energy out of nothing, which goes against the laws of physics.

          I hope this helps! 🙂

          P.S. if you have data (food diaries and body stats) of your 10-month weight loss and weight regain, I would happily take a look to help you identify what may have gone wrong! You can send these to info@myoleanfitness.com

  9. Brendon 10/02/2018 at 3:00 am - Reply

    You are mixing up his argument of changes in ‘BODY FAT’ vs WEIGHT LOSS. I don’t see anywhere that you talk about body fat reduction, just weight loss. As a doctor he only sees those with severe type 2 diabetes and has succesful cured people with his methods. Have you done the same? I agree with you on weight loss (CICO) but he’s going a steps deeper than just weight loss.

    • Myolean Fitness 10/02/2018 at 12:22 pm - Reply

      Hi Brendon, thanks for your comment.

      It’s important to note that, in overweight/obese people, body weight changes are very indicative of fat loss changes. In normal weight people, on the other hand, this is not necessarily the case.

      Regarding the rest of your comment, I think you are missing the point of the article.

      If you give it another read, you’ll notice that we are tackling specific points that Jason makes, for example his claims regarding metabolic rate changes in response to over and under-feeding, as well as the real cause of weight (and fat) regain.

      I think it’s also worth noting that we are VERY concerned with body composition (not just body weight) – note that the entire website is concerned with training and nutrition practices for building muscle and losing fat 🙂

  10. Mike 10/02/2018 at 12:16 pm - Reply

    Great article.
    I see you have a few here that will never listen..thats a shame.
    I was in an facebook Ifasting group and I actually did my first post with the graphic at the top of this article. 🙂
    And the insanity started..
    The main cheer leader was dancing around mocking me..
    I let him..
    I kept asking to be shown any “diet” with any macro combination..that did not need a caloric restriction component to lower body weight.
    So..their”Calories dont matter..Fung is King”..big mouth posted a link and gave me another lecture.
    The link showed a caloric restricted eating plan..and how it effected weight loss and how it effected the endocrine system.
    When I pointed out that he had just supported my argument..and not his own..he came back with “you don`t understand how the endocrine system works man”.
    Seriously..people are that dim..

    • Myolean Fitness 10/02/2018 at 12:29 pm - Reply

      Hey Mike and thanks for your comment.

      Yep, like they have the slightest clue on how the endocrine system works!

      Man, you should see the hateful comments and messages we get from Jason’s followers haha 🙂

      At the end of the day, all we can do is give it our best to spread good, unbiased, evidence-based information. Unfortunately we can’t save everyone.

      Keep fighting the good fight man!

  11. Christine 11/02/2018 at 4:33 pm - Reply

    I’ve followed Dr. Fung’s teachings and am losing a pound a day. Never have I had this kind of weight loss before. I eat two huge nutritionally packed meals twice a day within a 16/8 or 20/4 hr period. I havent felt this healthy in years. Im now down 20 lbs. Your not going to lose weight munching carrots and celery every few hours. Its the fasting, increasing my fats, and lowering carbs so Im converting my body to burn fat stores.
    Schools, nutritionists, the government all push us to eat 3 meals a day and healthy snacks. Therefore our bodies never burn fat stores because the glycogen is constantly coming in. Also when your glycogen depletes then hunger pangs kick in again.
    So people grab another snack. So you can wave the reduced calorie flag all you want but there is much more to successful weight loss than that.

    • Myolean Fitness 11/02/2018 at 4:59 pm - Reply

      Thanks for your comment, Christine, and congratulations on your progress! Keep up the great work! 🙂

      Okay, so according to a large body of scientific literature, such as this 2016 systematic review and meta analysis (https://www.nature.com/articles/ejcn2015195) (i.e. a study of studies), fat and weight loss are the results of a caloric deficit.

      This means that intermittent fasting approaches work for fat loss by helping people eat less overall.

      Here’s a quote from the study above:

      “Results:
      All studies reported significant weight loss for intermittent energy restriction groups. Average weight loss was approximately 0.2–0.8 kg per week. Intermittent energy restriction resulted in comparable weight loss to daily energy restriction when overall energy restriction remained similar between diets. The majority of studies that reported body composition outcomes have shown equal efficacy for fat mass, fat-free mass and waist circumference.

      Conclusions:
      Weight loss was achieved in overweight and obese adults following intermittent energy restriction and this loss was comparable to a daily energy restriction diet. Intermittent energy restriction may be an effective alternative strategy for health practitioners to promote weight loss for selected overweight and obese people.”

      Thankfully, government recommendations and dietitians are starting to catch up with the research, and some are now also recommending intermittent fasting approaches!

      We also have several of our clients doing IF, by the way! For some, IF approaches work extremely well!

      Regarding Jason Fung, you’ll notice that we are responding to specific unsupported claims he is making regarding BMR changes in response to changes in energy intake, as well as to the causes of weight regain, and not to the claim that IF works for weight loss – we actually agree with that! 🙂

      Thanks again!

      P.S. here’s a quote from one of our articles (https://www.myoleanfitness.com/10-weight-loss-tips-dieting/):

      “Seriously, stop eating every two hours! It doesn’t increase your metabolism or help with fat loss.

      In our experience, eating that frequently not only isn’t better, but is usually worse for weight loss, since:

      1. it results in many tiny meals of 200 calories each, which never leave you satisfied.
      2. it makes you think about food ALL DAY LONG.
      3. it’s impractical and a major pain in the butt. I mean, who wants to have to eat every 2 hours at work?

      And to the registered dietitians out there: for crying out loud, stop making meal plans with 8 meals per day for your clients! Shame on you. You should know better.”

  12. Mike Williams 16/02/2018 at 7:38 am - Reply

    “I’ve followed Dr. Fung’s teachings and am losing a pound a day. Never have I had this kind of weight loss before. I eat two huge nutritionally packed meals twice a day within a 16/8 or 20/4 hr period. “

    Advertroll(TM) Alert 🙂
    Anyway..Pure BS.
    I would lose that amount IF I was water fasting and nothing else.
    yet due to fungmagic..you can equal that..???

    “Its the fasting, increasing my fats, and lowering carbs so Im converting my body to burn fat stores.”

    I have fasted off and on for over 28 years..there is little you can tell me what fasting can or cannot do.
    If your increasing your fats so much..then your burning off dietary fat and not your bodies fat per se…

    “So you can wave the reduced calorie flag all you want but there is much more to successful weight loss than that.”

    “we” know that.
    Your bizarre hand waving aside…the basis is caloric restriction..

  13. Josh Lowry 03/03/2018 at 5:32 pm - Reply

    Excellent article, thanks for the breakdown. I just read a post by Dr. Fung on Cancer research, and not only was he snarky and snide, but very mistaken on the facts. I’ve been trying to track down his credentials and review his previous work, but unfortunately his SEO is very good and it took me a while to find anything critical. Looks like he’s branching out. Anyway, this is a great quick review of the science, keep using it for good; we need it!

    • Myolean Fitness 03/03/2018 at 6:31 pm - Reply

      Thanks for your comment and for your kind words, Josh!

      Jason is, essentially, a nephrologist and self-proclaimed nutrition expert, so I could imagine how he could also be completely wrong about a topic as complex as cancer.

      Unfortunately, it’s easier to fool people than to convince them they’ve been fooled by a quacky internet doctor. Let’s keep fighting the good fight, though!

  14. AJ 14/03/2018 at 5:25 pm - Reply

    This article was a very welcome breath of fresh air!

    I’ve never managed to get through reading a single article by Fung without feeling uncomfortable at some point.

    The frequent spelling mistakes and poor grammar seem unimportant on the surface.

    The regular sarcasm perhaps is more important – it makes me question his character. I enjoy a bit of sarcasm, but the way he does it, and the subjects he does it with, reveal his propensity for bias and dismissal of data that doesn’t fit his worldview.

    And that leads to my biggest problem with him: He is very dismissive of real science when it doesn’t fit his ideas, and will cherry-pick and even make statements which are patently untrue.

    It’s a pity because some of what he writes makes sense, and some of what he suggests can help people get healthy. But all it takes is one bit of overt bias, or falsehood, and that completely destroys his self-assumed position as someone who can be relied upon to disseminate scientific information for the masses.

    • Myolean Fitness 14/03/2018 at 5:37 pm - Reply

      Hello AJ and thanks for your comment,

      Unfortunately, what you are saying is very true. Jason is often aggressively sarcastic in both his writings and videos.

      He also (purposely or not) tends to ignore anything that doesn’t fit his biases.

      All we can do is to keep spreading good science and hope to reach as many people as possible!

  15. Viktor 14/03/2018 at 6:20 pm - Reply

    Thanks for the article and sticking to science.

    I think the concept of caloric restriction is too simplistic. It’s like saying “any diet works as long as it makes the body get rid of fat stores”. Both concepts don’t explain anything, they are just stating the obvious.

    The real question is: Why is the body burning fat? What are the biochemical processes that make the body burn fat?

    Saying that with a caloric deficit the body just blindly takes energy from fat is saying that fat stores are not regulated, that the body has no idea how much stores there are. But the body regulates everything.

    What I’m saying is: if we find this regulation process, we can adjust our diet and lifestyle to work with this process. This should make the diet much easier and improve adherence.

    What is your take on those questions?

    Related to those questions is another one of practical importance: Why don’t people adhere to diets?

    Is it something biological? Psychological? Social?

    Do you have any insight into this? I think knowing the reasons for not adhering, we could make effective counter-measures.

    • Myolean Fitness 14/03/2018 at 8:05 pm - Reply

      Hello Viktor and thanks for your comment,

      I agree with you that caloric restriction as a “solution” to obesity is overly simplistic.

      Yes, fat loss is the result of an imbalance between caloric intake and output – this is supported by every well-conducted study in the history of ever. However, this doesn’t explain why people overeat in the first place, why they have trouble losing fat and why most find it so hard to maintain weight loss.

      Luckily, we have quite a bit of research on this topic, which suggests that the problem is multi-factorial. Genetic, environmental, physical and emotional factors in combination affect how and why people eat.

      In short, our brains are evolutionary programmed to make us want to maintain our body’s energy stores (i.e. fat stores) high, so that we won’t starve to death. In ancient times when food was scarce and humans had to move around much more, this was a vital mechanism for human survival.

      Nowadays, with delicious, minimally-processed, high calorie foods being available to us 24/7, 365 days a year and with us not having to move around much (think of a modern office-based job relative to, say, farming a thousand years ago) the evolutionary biological mechanisms that once aimed to keep us from starving are now making us want to overeat and get fat.

      The above, combined with emotional issues (for many, eating is a form of stress relief), social issues (“come on man, it’s my birthday, have some cake”), and so on, work in combination to make gaining weight very easy and losing weight very hard.

      One comment is not enough to explain all this, so I highly recommend that you get your hands on an amazing book by Dr. Stephan Guyenet on the topic, called “The Hungry Brain”.

      I hope this helps!

      • Viktor 15/03/2018 at 12:26 pm - Reply

        Thank you very much for the book recommendation! I’m always eager to learn new (and hopefully elegant) ways of looking at nutrition and health. And if the book is as good as the subtitle “Outsmarting the Instincts That Make Us Overeat” suggests, it is exactly what I’m missing. Although I would prefer “Working together with the Instincts…”, though that would sell less copies of the book. 🙂

        As to Jason Fung, I read his book and most of his articles. I do agree that his sarcasm and storytelling is often annoying. He also often makes conclusions that seem too hasty, especially if they fit his world view.

        But if you can read past those, he actually offers lots of useful information, concepts and advice. In fact I find Jason Fung’s articles still to be one of the best sources on the Internet, despite all his flaws. And having skimmed over your blog I would say you both agree on 80% of what you are saying!

        I think you two just disagree on your interpretation, i.e. the concept of weight loss and health. So you both agree on the studies, but interpret them in a way that suits your respective concept. And it’s perfectly fine! We all have this mental bias in our heads.

        And if I use my pragmatic mind, I shouldn’t care about which concept you two use as long as his patients and your clients are getting slimmer and healthier!

        • Myolean Fitness 15/03/2018 at 1:19 pm - Reply

          You’re welcome! 🙂

          In general, most fitness professionals agree on the basics: e.g. fat loss is caused by a sustained energy imbalance, we should eat primarily minimally processed foods while also getting enough protein, we should exercise often, and so on.

          With Jason, although we agree on many things, we probably disagree on some very basic stuff: for example, we seem to disagree on how people gain fat (energy balance versus the carbohydrate-insulin model of obesity, on how they should best approach weight loss, on why they may plateau and regain weight, etc.

          Either way, I agree with you that helping our clients achieve long-terms results is, essentially, what it boils down to! 🙂

  16. Mic 06/05/2018 at 8:33 pm - Reply

    How do you address insuline sensetivity?

    • Myolean 06/05/2018 at 8:36 pm - Reply

      Hello Mic,

      Can you be a little more specific please?

  17. Xara 02/06/2018 at 12:44 am - Reply

    “fewer calories”, not “less calories”. Thank you.

  18. Sabrina 06/06/2018 at 8:57 am - Reply

    I know I’m late to the party but I just wanted to mention a few observations. As a neuroscientist with an MSc in health sciences (cardiac sciences, specifically), I am decently familiar with the current models of obesity. I agree wholeheartedly with the overarching premise of this article- that weight loss is primarily a CICO deal, and that all diets are structured around that goal. The difficulty comes in when you’re looking at adherence, which you also identified as being a primary driver of post-diet weight management.

    The thing that Dr. Fung appears to get right are the focus on mechanisms that underlie hunger cues. A diet is only as good as ones ability to adhere to it, and Fung’s enthusiasm for keto and IF is partly due to the decreased hunger that goes along with both of those two approaches. He tends to link keto and IF, though adherence to keto is poor due to a host of other factors, notably the difficulty of adhering to such a rigid diet. Fasting is also difficult, but over the lifespan, bouts of not eating (which one can customize to when they are most convenient) are easier to incorporate into a daily routine than strict low-carb eating; besides, after 12-24h of a fast, hunger lessens significantly, making this a more tolerable way to restrict calories generally. Also, it allows for carbohydrates during non-fasting times, and since it’s less restrictive, it is generally easier to handle long term. Keto is therefore harder to maintain, while IF offers many of the same benefits but with added flexibility.

    The problem with Dr. Fung’s preferred diet model of keto are twofold: 1- he disregards other information that does not fit his viewpoint that keto is superior and carbs will always cause a tendency to overeat (they do up-regulate hunger signals, but some people may feel better on a carb-inclusive diet, which he never mentions). This brings me to 2- the fact that, at its core, a keto diet is typically unsustainable in the long run. In a society that still largely eats carbs, virtually eliminating that entire food group is incredibly difficult as a “forever” diet plan. Most people who start the keto diet tend to drop off around 6-8 weeks. Though it may work exceptionally well for some people (and it is incredibly well-suited for insulin insensitivity and metabolic syndrome, two disorders out of many which are common to obesity), it is extremely hard to maintain. Dr. Fung doesn’t seem to appreciate how difficult it can really be to adhere to, and often has a “if you’re having problems, you’re doing it wrong” approach which is unhelpful.

    To sum up, I think that Dr. Fung is well-researched about the endocrine theory of obesity, and how to re-calibrate it via IF to lower hunger cues. The problems crop up with asserting that the keto diet is the best eating plan- it’s marginally superior to other diets only in some areas and is often hard to put into practice. This point about adherence absolutely should be acknowledged by him. At that point, suddenly all of the diets on your chart become feasible to discuss depending on individual preference and metabolic response. Dr. Fung, with his built-in audience and years of education, could admit that other diet types work and try to integrate them into his practice and advice blogs, even if he openly prefers keto. Neglecting to mention other diet types closes his advice off from other people for whom keto isn’t ideal. He would also not be adding to the friction in the nutrition community by dismissing all non-keto diets.

    Sorry about the novel I just wrote! I don’t often comment but I was surprised to see the tone he took in his article, and that sense of superiority and dismissiveness pervades a number of his posts. He’s contributing to misunderstandings about nutrition when obesity is so prevalent and there should be consensus as to what the science has shown, at least. He can help guide the way, not restrict the scientific findings to those he prefers.

    • Myolean 06/06/2018 at 11:19 am - Reply

      Hi Sabrina,

      Thanks for your comment!

      What can I say? I concur! ☺️👌

  19. Justin 04/07/2018 at 6:26 pm - Reply

    Funny how you only cherry pick the points that you feel like you can debunk. He addresses the adherence factor “Also, it is important to note that women did, in fact, stick to their calorie reduced diet. Yet the weight regain still happened. BUT it wasn’t because of non compliance. This is often ignored, because physicians giving the dietary advice want desperately to believe that people fail on their diets because they didn’t follow it. They simply cannot face the super-obvious but highly inconvenient truth staring them in the face. If these women followed the diet, but still failed to lose weight – the problem is the DIET, and not the PATIENT. Doctors cannot play their favourite game of ‘Blame the patient.”

    • Myolean 05/07/2018 at 12:47 pm - Reply

      Hello Justin and thank you for your comment.

      Maybe you missed a big part of our article which explains (with supporting research) that people regain weight exactly because of reduced dietary adherence and not despite of it. This is actually one of our biggest objections to Jason’s article – he claims that people regain weight even while adhering to their diet. According to a large body of scientific research (again, cited in the article), this is incorrect.

      I hope this clears it up. Thanks again.

  20. Aaron 12/07/2018 at 7:05 am - Reply

    I lost 50 lbs and was in the best shape of my life under 10 percent body fat. Then my appetite became completely out of control due to the factors that doctor fung has explained. I simply couldnt adhere to the diet any longer as my metabolism was shot from the weight loss with basic caloric restriction. Losing weight this time around i have lost 75 lbs following a fasting for 20 hours a day routine. Also, my metabolism is working just great and hasnt been affected due to my keeping insulin low throughout the day and the great affects of fasting. Dr. Fung actually mentions in his videos that you can lose weight with caloric restriction but that it is unsustainable long term. He is right, because bmr goes way down and your appetite still is massive and you become hungry all the time.

    • Myolean 12/07/2018 at 1:54 pm - Reply

      Hey Aaron,

      Thanks for your comment and congrats on losing so much weight!

      A few questions I have:

      1. How exactly did you measure your Basal Metabolic Rate before and after the weight loss? Indirect calorimetry?
      2. How exactly did you measure your body fat percentage?

      Also, something worth mentioning is that fasting and low carb dieting work for fat loss through caloric restriction, so it’s probably not a great idea to talk about caloric restriction vs fasting, since they are not separate things! 🙂

      Agreed about the appetite. by the way! There is research suggesting to intermittent fasting can help people better adhere to their diet because of increased feelings of satiety. The same goes for ketogenic diets – being in ketosis seems to have appetite suppressing effects that are independent of the higher protein intake usually associated with low carb/ketogenic diets.

  21. Tim Duncan 12/07/2018 at 8:44 pm - Reply

    So if it’s all about calories, why was I able to consume 4000 to 5000 calories at age 20, weighing 165 trying to gain strength/muscle, and I didn’t gain a pound. Yet in my 40’s, I weigh 226, I restrict to 1800 calories, bike and run 4-7 hours a week and don’t lose a pound?

    Ahh the calorie in calorie out math just doesn’t add up.

    • Myolean 12/07/2018 at 10:37 pm - Reply

      Hey Tim!

      What most likely happened is that you were overestimating your energy intake when you were young and underestimating your energy expenditure.

      Now, you are probably underestimating your energy intake and overestimating your expenditure.

      This is nothing new, by the way. There’s a lot of research showing that people (including Registered Dietitians) can be VERY off at estimating their energy intake and output.

      Check our this study, for example. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejm199212313272701 The energy intake reported by the subjects in group 1 was 1028 kcal per day, whereas their actual energy intake was 2081 kcal per day. Yep, subjects reported that they were eat around 1000 calories while they were actually eating double that!

      Also, the subjects in group 1 reported the amount of energy they expended in physical activities as being 1022 kcal per day, whereas the actual energy so expended was 771 kcal per day, an overestimation by 251 kcal per day!

      We see this happening with clients all the time, by the way, when we analyse their food diaries. Figuring out where they are going wrong and making corrections to their calories and macros ALWAYS results in weight loss! 🙂

      In any case, I really hope you reach your goals! If you have any questions or you think I may be able to help, please shoot me an email.

      Thanks again,
      Antonis

  22. Gary 11/08/2018 at 5:29 am - Reply

    Well, I think you are both right and it depends on where in the spectrum of weight/fat loss you apply each technique and the desired outcome. For some, myself included, insulin hyposensitivity may be a driving factor, others inactivity or both, yet others – who knows. There are general physiological truths that apply to everyone but even so-called studies are questionable b/c hardly anyone will volunteer to be monitored around the clock for an extended time to guarantee accuracy of the results so ehh, take what you can from studies and throw the rest in the crapper. I come at the subject from a pessimistic perspective that: A) most people like to be heard B) those that are dogmatic to one point are usually making a mountain out of a mole hill and capitalizing somehow C) there is a grain of truth in all of it. So does starving (fasting) work?Sure, duh, but you don’t hit those fat stores in 12-16 hours so if that’s what you’re doing (like I did) then intermittent fasting is likely calorie reduction anyway. I think Fung points that out-sounds familiar to me but it’s common sense (okay, 5 college degrees for my common sense but probably not needed). If fasting for longer periods then yes, you probably burn fat so some methods of long fasting do work but then you got to consider your lifestyle and if fat loss is your hobby. If not, then fasting all the time probably isn’t going to work–you will eventually die. Otherwise, you will have to keep your calories lower than your expenditure…obviously. Either way, it opens your eyes to what you eat, when you eat, why you eat, and your “real” objectives and I believe that’s the key from both philosophies…be aware of the consequences of what you put in your mouth or don’t and why you choose what you did. So I’m in both camps and neither but I appreciate the information, and I TOTALLY agree on compliance (because human nature is to NOT stick with what is good but what is easiest, for you).

    • Myolean 11/08/2018 at 11:23 am - Reply

      Hey Gary and thanks for your comment.

      I’m happy we agree on at least a few things! 🙂

  23. larry 11/08/2018 at 4:39 pm - Reply

    Dr FUNGus advocates a low protein diet……..that alone should discredit the fungus………the CRON diet has been around a long time…….google the 100 yr diet or something like that…calorie restricted optimal nutrition

    google roy walford

    Roy Lee Walford, M. D. (June 29, 1924 – April 27, 2004) was a pioneer in the field of caloric restriction. He died at age 79 of respiratory failure as a complication of amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (commonly known as Lou Gehrig’s or motor neurone disease). He was a leading advocate of calorie restriction as a method of life extension and health improvement

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